(CBSN). It would be nearly another six hours before an ambulance was called for Piazza, who died with traumatic brain injuries and a ruptured spleen. 2017 CBS Interactive Inc. All Rights Reserved. That little rant you went into wasn't cool at all. There was no premeditation, no joy in his suffering, I see more evil in the dad who wants to take revenge on the men in the fraternity to be honest. When you get somebody into an environment where they have seemingly no way out, where every authority figure is encouraging or forcing you to drink and nobody would help you, say, leave and go home safely, it is extremely difficult to turn down drinks. In May, a grand jury revised that assessment, calling it "the direct result of encouraged reckless conduct." need to get some shit off your chest? Not calling 911 immediately is what changed that story, from a crazy night where he drank too much and a lesson for future endeavors to his death. Its unclear whether the camera was in a position to capture one of Piazzas several falls during a night of drinking. Graphic video footage of the night Piazza He later tried once more to descend the basement stairs, but fell down again, and remained at the base of the stairs until several of the fraternity brothers discovered him several hours later behind the bar in the basement, cold and breathing rapidly. "A young man died unnecessarily," District Attorney Stacy Parks Miller (center) told reporters. The Inquirer explains: "In September, Judge Allen Sinclair gutted the prosecution's case, throwing out the most serious felony charges against the fraternity members and saying prosecutors had not presented enough evidence to support them. Let's look at the Wikipedia article about the incident. "No parent wants to see what is apparently on this videotape.". How is that murder? Tim then woke up the following morning still alone and attempted to move. Second of all, yes, victims of horrible crimes often did something stupid or unwise, which is why they were preyed upon instead of someone else who was more cautious and more difficult prey. ABC News' Gregory Croft and Stephanie Gomulka contributed to this report. Prosecutors allege Piazza was forced to drink excessively before falling and hurting himself. His "brothers," could have handled it better, but it is clear his parents taught him no accountability, and have no idea what it is themselves. The most serious offenses include involuntary manslaughter and aggravated assault, while others are charged with hazing or alcohol violations. WebDr. In this attempt he managed to hit himself in the head several more times and knock himself out again. And what happened throughout the night was just careless disregard for human life.". Sucks that you have to come in basically bullying me because we disagree. "In all," The Philadelphia Inquirer reports, "25 Beta Theta Pi members now face charges.". You are asking them to think and act rationally about this, and that is something that is very difficult for grieving people to do. Piazza was brought to Mount Nittany Medical Center, but was quickly transported to Penn State Milton S. Hershey Medical Center because of the severity of his injuries. The new charges are based on surveillance footage that authorities managed to recover after a frat brother deleted it. And all colleges and fraternities are supposed to have anti-hazing rules in place. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. He was later His lawyer did not return a message seeking comment. The new charges are based on surveillance footage that authorities managed to recover after a frat brother deleted it. Prosecutors filed charges against 12 members of Penn State's now-shuttered Beta Theta Pi chapter and added to the already-existing charges against five others. He drank an incredibly high amount of alcohol and fell down the basement stairs and was unconscious. Not only have you accused me if being involved in this or something like this, you have decided I am a sociopath. The next morning, fraternity members located Piazza, unconscious, in the basement. "The visions of him lying in a hospital bed battered and bruised and on life support make no sense. If you don't think 18-21 year olds should be legally responsible for their actions, fine, but we're also going to have to take away their rights to vote, drive, hold a job, etc. They are acting like total jerks attacking these kids in public. It could certainly be considered nansalyhbter, and it is horrible what these kids didbut can you explain how this all of a sudden became murder? Police have said Piazza fell head first down 15 basement steps at around 11 p.m. on the night of Feb. 2, but no one called 911 until the next morning. To review Hyatts claims that he conducted daily, face-to-face evaluations of patients, investigators pulled roughly two months of video surveillance footage from the hospital, records indicate. After 40 minutes of debating on what the next step should be, the conclusion was made that Piazza's injuries were indeed serious, and that he would require medical attention. The fraternity was supposed to be alcohol-free after a suspension in 2009. Speaking of which, downvotes don't change views! Eight fraternity brothers are facing manslaughter charges in connection with Piazza's death. Once he was finally able to maintain balance, he staggered toward the lobby area of the house, but fell again head first into an iron railing and landed on a stone floor, likely incurring serious head trauma. I mean, based on your logic that would be completely selfish and out of line of you. Another 11 frat members are already facing similar charges. They bought and served absurd amounts of alcohol to a minor. The footage, as outlined in the grand jury presentment, shows an inebriated Piazza fall down the stairs. Piazza's parents have spoken out poignantly about the incident. Well, we beat him and slapped him, what more could we do? Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. But he didn't die because he got knock out drunk; he died because of the head trauma and later mishandling of the situation by people who had claimed to be there to look out for and support him. The testimony came on the fourth day of a preliminary hearing for 16 members of Beta Theta Pi facing charges that includeinvoluntary manslaughter and aggravated assault in the Feb. 4 death of engineering student Timothy Piazza, 19. I'm not hanging on tooth and nail to anything, because I'm not invested in this on a personal level. I sincerely doubt you know his parents or knew Timothy enough to espouse his lack of accountability. His tragic death made national headlines after it was revealed that frat members didn't alert authorities until about 12 hours after he fell down the stairs. I don't think they're acting like assholes. Ten other students are facing related charges of reckless endangerment, tampering with evidence and providing alcohol to minors, among other charges. His brothers carried him, unconscious, to a couch and left him there. The new allegations mark a significant escalation in a case that has taken several twists since the Dauphin County coroner initially ruled Piazza's death an accident. Over the course of 42 more minutes, the video footage shows them hauling Piazza back upstairs, shaking him, and attempting to prop his limp body up on the couch. Piazza subsequently stumbled toward the basement steps, then fell down them. This isn't a mistake, it's murder. Timothy is accountable for over consuming alcohol (under severe social pressure from his Brothers, which could easily be argued as coercion). I'm not involved in this situation, and I'm not a bad guy. ", As NPR's Bill Chappell reported at the time, Penn State Student's Hazing Death Was No Accident, Grand Jury Says, 'Horror' Of Student's Hazing Death At Penn State Sparks Change. That video was shown in court on Monday. hey, how about you let me know what you would do if you were Piazza except instead of dying, you live and you must live the rest of your life unable to move from the neck down? from The fraternity brothers who encouraged him to drink had power over him while he was, for several reasons, unable to effectively say no or fully understand his actions. "Theybasically treated our son as roadkill and a rag doll, Jim Piazza toldNBCsTodayshow. But, still, they pressured him into drinking too much. Sixteen Penn State fraternity brothers were in court Monday, all facing charges connected with the death of a pledge. And as tragic as the loss of this young man is, Joey Ems never should have been charged with a crime.. I mean, that's the whole point of this subreddit. He did not reveal the name of the member in question. District Attorney Stacy Parks Miller said fraternity brothers gave Piazza 18 drinks in under one hour and 22 minutes. Sure. Cold and hyperventilating. College students drink. WebDeleted surveillance video from inside a Penn State fraternity house recovered by prosecutors has led to new charges. He died two days later at a hospital. I can honestly say that would not be how my mind would work. I don't see our legal system as something to be used for extracting a pound of flesh. However, I'd also like to argue that the fraternity is also legally and morally responsible for his initial intoxication. An example should be made of that chapter, so I would say his parents are more like the dicks that are trying to fuck the assholes that just want to shit all over everything, IMO. Press J to jump to the feed. "This is about Tim Piazza, and Tim Piazza died, and there should be an absolute reverence in that courtroom," said Centre County District Attorney Stacy Parks Miller. This is a footnote from the CMV moderators. Upload, livestream, and create your own videos, all in HD. Parks Miller said in a written statement that the basement video clearly depicts a continuation of the hazing activity previously captured upstairs, including giving pledges beer, wine and vodka. I don't know, a lot of humane sensible things. Obviously you are riding a very high horse and looking down on me. WebSurveillance footage from inside the frat house shown during previous hearings depicted Piazza looking like a corpse after his first drunken fall in the house, according to another First published on November 13, 2017 / 12:53 PM. Of the 17 fraternity members charged, five now face manslaughter charges. Piazza was at the Penn State University fraternity for a pledge event in February when he died after falling down a flight stairs. Prosecutors have filed new charges against members of the Beta Theta Pi fraternity at Penn State, alleging that newly recovered video shows them serving pledge Timothy Piazza excessive quantities of alcohol. Reporters inside the Centre County Courthouse live tweeted the proceedings as the prosecution played the surveillance footage from the Beta Theta Pi fraternity party on Feb. 2, the night of Piazza's fatal injury. Penn State Frat House Death: Fast Drinking, Slow Death, Frantic Coverup In Grand Jury Timeline, Frat House Death At Penn State: A Who's Who Of The Accused. Parks Miller, whos leaving office at the end of the year, then refiled many of the charges. It was at this point that he was carried upstairs. (Patrick Carns/Patrick Carns). The grand jury concluded that, after Piazza was taken to the hospital, there was an active attempt to conceal evidence of the hazing and underage drinking, from deleting text messages to admitting to discussing erasing surveillance video. Clearly, he is dead weight." All of the footage from a basement camera prior to Feb. 6 had been deleted before authorities had a chance to obtain it. Each fraternity brother faces charges after Piazza had a deadly fall at the Beta Theta Pi house at Penn State back in February. He seems to want to use it that way, and is manipulating the media to do so. 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Piazza died as a "direct result of the extremely reckless conduct of members of the Beta fraternity," aided by the permissive atmosphere fostered by Penn State's Interfraternity Council, the grand jury found. Penn State's former Beta Theta Pi fraternity house now sits empty. Scicchitano described scenes where Piazza was unconscious. Centre County Report. Prosecutors filed charges against 12 members of the fraternity and added to the already-existing charges against five others. "I believe the charges will be bound over. And you actually say that "people need to take responsibility for their actions" yet excuse these animals? document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Thanks for contacting us. Now it's not just the prior negligence, but further abuse of an injured, unconscious person. "A young man died unnecessarily," she said. Centre County District Attorney Stacy Parks Miller charged 10 new defendants, reinstated charges against two people whose cases had been dropped and added counts against five who had previously been charged for actions surrounding the Feb. 4 death of Beta Theta Pi pledge Tim Piazza. after reading this entire thread and especially all of your answers OP im getting the impression you are either someone (a brother/pledge) who was there that night, or someone with some type of intimate frat involvement to the case and timothy. He was carried to a couch, where surveillance cameras captured the formation of a large and obvious bruise on his left abdomen. Sign up for free Patch newsletters and alerts. The grand jury document referenced surveillance footage other than the recently recovered video. Harry Kamerow said he used video evidence and medical records to establish that Piazza's fall at 11:22 p.m. down the basement steps caused his fatal brain and spleen The bombshell revelation by State College police Detective David Scicchitano came during a hearing to determine if theres enough evidence to send the case to trial. No other parents have acted like this when they have lost their child in similar fashion. He's unconscious," Scicchitano said after Piazzas first fall. Copyright 2023 CBS Interactive Inc. All rights reserved. He had ruptured spleen and was bleeding internally to the point that he was in class IV hemorrhagic shock (the worst level of shock caused by blood loss) by the time he made it to the hospital. This dental device was sold to fix patients' jaws. When Piazza was finally brought to the hospital on Feb. 3, he had a damaged spleen. After investigators determined the security footage was manually deleted, they then sent the tapes to the FBI, whose agents recovered the video, authorities said in a statement. Make me see why the Piazza parents are not complete assholes. What is he responsible for? The fraternity was permanently banned from Penn Stateafter Piazza's death. At this point normal people would call for medical help. DiBileo and 15 other fraternity brothers spent over 10 hours in court listening to evidence. They have caused that condition," said Parks Miller. Also Thursday, an attorney for Luke Visser, one of the defendants charged in Piazzas death, revealed what he claimed to be new information indicating that Piazza may have tripped over a girl sitting on a stairwell leading to the basement suggesting it was more of an accident than the result of drunkenness. In fact, on video, Tim Piazza does not obtain his own alcohol at any point rather, every drink consumed was provided to him by a fraternity brother, she said. Piazza died Feb. 4 at a hospital after consuming what authorities said was a dangerous amount of alcohol, as well as sustaining severe injuries to his head and abdomen. WebPiazza, a 19-year-old sophomore at Penn State, fell down the stairs at the Beta Theta Pi house during a night of drinking for a pledge ceremony there on Feb. 2. What they did was worse than just leaving him to die. A lawyer for Joseph Ems, who had previously faced a reckless-endangerment charge that was dismissed by the district judge, said he plans to seek dismissal of the three fresh charges against his client: hazing, furnishing alcohol to a minor and an alcohol violation. Piazza's death "was the direct result of traumatic brain injuries," according to the forensic pathologist on the case. The video includes Piazza consuming nearly 20 drinks in 90 minutes. 7:45 p.m. Piazza was seen on his hands and knees in Attorney Ted Simon asked Scicchitano if he had a chance to identify and interview the girl, as well as a second girl spotted on the stairs. PSU/frat/Piazza? I can only imagine the anguish of being a parent, and losing your child this way. PennLive.come reports State College Police Detective David Scicchitano was on the witness stand for nearly 10 hours during the hearing. This may actually explain why we disagree so much Edit 2: do you have a personal connect to this? In this state of intoxication he fell on the basement stairs of the house and was knocked unconscious. "America's Got Talent" Comedian Bringing The Laughs To Newtown, Senator Pushes Bills To Bring Justice To Childhood Sex Assault Victims, Jules Thin Crust Pizza Looking For The Next Menu-Worthy Pie, Comedy Star Dena Blizzard Fri. & Sat. Prosecutors indicated that police would be filing additional charges in connection to the deleted video, PennLive.com reports. The Centre County District Attorney announced on Monday that the FBI has recovered video footage from the night before 19-year-old Timothy Piazza's death. Lawyers for the victim's family described the video as "gruesome.". He said coercing someone to drink as much as his son did is egregiously reckless and, according to the police and the DA, is criminal.. And the frat basically did everything they could to ignore him, until they couldn't, at which point they tried to cover up what they did. He's black out drunk and stumbling around, and he's just left alone? He continued to stand up only to repeatedly fall back down. "When law enforcement initially evaluated the video footage, fraternity brothers led police to believe that the basement cameras had been inoperable on Bid Acceptance Night," Parks Miller's office said in a statement. According to reporters at the hearing, Scicchitano said the fraternity brothers were acting like "drill sergeants" and yelling at the pledges to drink. Updated on: November 13, 2017 / 2:58 PM In May, a grandjury concluded fraternity members were indifferent to Piazza's condition as they deleted text messages andattempted to conceal evidence of hazing and underage drinking. They aren't assholes. A judge presiding over the preliminary hearing, which began in June, will decide whether there is enough evidence to send the case to trial. Please enable JavaScript to experience Vimeo in all of its glory. 2023 USA TODAY, a division of Gannett Satellite Information Network, LLC. Absolutely nobody around checking on him? One brother tried to convince the others that Piazza needed immediate medical help, but was ignored. The revelation came on Day 4 of the preliminary hearing for the fraternity brothers facing charges ranging from involuntary manslaughter to furnishing alcohol to minors. A detective testified in court Thursday that surveillance video had vanished. Look at the definition of murder..I don't like over the top hyperbole and I think that's why this case has bothered me in terms of coverage. As no one was left around him this all went unnoticed and he was left on the floor. Gary DiBileo Jr. of Scranton left the Centre County Courthouse without knowing when he'll be back and if the charges against him will go to trial. WebThe Discovery of Timothy Piazzas Unconscious body is disturbing. Justin is an assistant managing editor at CBS News. First of all, these are not kids, they are adults. Ed Gilmartin was there. He rolled off the couch again and curled his body, clutching his abdomen. Prosecutors filed charges against 12 members of Penn State's now-shuttered Beta Theta Pi chapter and added to the already-existing charges against five others. I mean, this is a very speculative statement at best. WebA A. Tim Piazza was shown before his death on a video played by prosecutors on Monday suffering from a fall during an alcohol-fueled Penn State fraternity pledging event as his The judge on Monday evening granted the defense's request to continue the hearing, the Philadelphia Inquirer reported. More:16 students face judge in Penn State hazing death of Timothy Piazza, More:'He looked like a corpse': Video shown of Penn State pledge after fatal injuries. — -- A detective testifying in a Pennsylvania courtroom Thursday regarding the death of Penn State student Tim Piazza said some surveillance footage from the Beta Theta Pi house appears to have been deleted. Please enter valid email address to continue. I guess I have just been annoyed with the parents claiming that if it was someone else, Tim would have saved them and walked out. Tim Piazza (center) is pictured with his parents, Evelyn and James. I don't even know where you get the whole idea I am making personal digs at people, or how you can think anything i said could only be thought by a frat bro, or whatever. From trying to beat him awake, to abandoning him, to covering up the evidence, everything about this shows criminal negligence. WebDetectives may have discovered crucial new evidence in the death of Penn State student Timothy Piazza. WebDuring Mondays hearing, prosecutors showed three hours of video from the fraternitys surveillance cameras of Piazza before and after he became intoxicated, the New York Any one of these people could have stayed with him kept him from doing further damage to himself. Piazza appears lifeless for most of the video, rolling on the ground and holding his head in his hands. I just wanted to have a conversation. PennLive.com reporter Christian Alexandersen was also at the hearing. Piazza, a 19-year-old sophomore at Penn State, fell down the stairs at the Beta Theta Pi house during a night of drinking for a pledge ceremony there on Feb. 2. A court affidavit said one of the brothers, Braxton Becker, purposely deleted the basement footage two days after Piazza died but the FBI was able to recover it. Former attorney Alex Murdaugh's double murder trial continues with closing arguments: Watch live. WebPiazza staggered on his feet down the hallway and turned right into the Away Bar Room. Piazza's parents, Jim and Evelyn of Hunterdon County, New Jersey, left the courtroom before the prosecution began airing the footage, narrated by Scicchitano. Advertisement Prosecutors claim the former fraternity brothers at Beta Theta Pi waited to get Piazza help in an attempt to cover up their drinking and "coordinate a story.". At various points in between, fraternity brothers allegedly slapped Piazza several times in the face and stomach. 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