Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. Dan and his wife, Kim, subsequently left Harvest, but remain committed to the integrity of the Church and caring for those who have been hurt in the Church. When I entered my UCC church-sponsored college, I figured out why. We will talk through it. Julie Roys October 8, 2020. It basically says Jesus is as real as Santa Claus. His sermons changed from adoration of the text to little postcard messages. Rather, its helping those in bondage find freedom. So, Dan, thank you for that. We turned out to have six witnesses who wrote 28 pages with innumerable charges. I believe it was from Mancow who texted me. Shame on you for reading scripture! And at this point, the letters, what had happened with the letters? 2. I had been investigating Harvest for months. Julie Roys lives for her anti gospel, anti authority, man hating bias - even partnering with shock jocks like Mancow Muller or worse. I also dont believe girls (or boys) have to like certain colors or behave and dress in certain ways to be real girls/boys. I did not. And you couldnt be accused of disseminating them to the larger public. And he conspired with these staff to bring these letters because they all just were out to get James. Great! You really didnt know at that point, whether he was going to get fired, or resign, or what was going to happen until Mancow Muller aired those vulgar excerpts from this hot mic recording that James McDonald didnt know he was on mic. What really caused Harvest Bible Chapel to fire James MacDonald? Right? MacDonald notes in the email that about a month after the settlement, he was able to write to recipients of the email. We all need to do it together, etc, etc. Jacob Ross, all the credit card that James used for personal expenses. A strong woman with a weak husband will become a toxic woman. What does the bible say about that? And they started reading scripture about the qualifications of the elders. And we had consensus from everybody in the room that James McDonald was not qualified to as an elder and that his employment at Harvest Bible Chapel was over. Now what we did do is there were probably I dont remember the number Julie. Guest Bios Show Transcript Spiritual abuse has become an increasingly hot topic, as more and more stories of bully pastors and hyper-controlling, Guest Bios Show Transcript After years spent in an abusive church, how do you heal? Hed been the senior pastor the whole time. This is the passage. And so she sent me a letter before it went to the elder board. So were in the meeting. May 19, 2021 10:53 am To some former Harvest Bible Chapel insiders, Rick Donald was not just James MacDonald's right-hand man; he was also his "hatchet man" or "smiling assassin." Load more . This was a many time thing. Rick, Donald actually had talked to me after the meeting and said, how much that meant to James. This was months months later. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. In an email to The Roys Report (TRR), Vernick noted that in the Old Testament, Abigail, the wife of the boorish and immature, Nabal, was a strong woman, married to a weak characterand she wasnt toxic. . Like wow! Who Will Pay for the SBCs Abuse Reforms Over the Long Term? And the demands that James McDonald made to try to go home a day early. Im not positive on that. It was the elders failure. You cant unconditionally support anybody. And and its sad to me other than when they did finally, the former elders apologize for the lawsuit that was brought against me. The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. Had they reached all the elders at this point? Again, only you and Mike Dunwoody, did that publicly. But, at whatever time it was, you know, midnight in India or something sitting in the lobby, I sent an email, put my name on it, heres my statement. So at the end of the night, no one got the letters. Please dont read something into a story thats not there. Leslie said: Julie Roys is a Christian investigative reporter who has called out some big names, and she has suffered for it. Youre, youre characterizing it correctly. *Correction: A previous version of this story incorrectly reported that Visconti and Generation Church had deleted their social media accounts. Okay thats what Gods word says. And his email says, it seems we are being targeted. 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Voice of James MacDonald Believed to Be Featured in Vulgar Comments. The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. Am I characterizing that correctly? Julie Roys knows she published many false statements about me, false statements now proven such in a court of law, yet she has retracted nothing. I did not cover my iniquity. And scripture is really clear that its got to be, you know, two or three witnesses. Who were all shameless self promoters. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. What is the point of bringing this pastors political views into the story? In 2018, Roys' journalism exposed the now-former senior pastor of Harvest Bible Chapel (HBC) James MacDonald for his aggressive leadership style and abuse of the church's finances. 1) Julie Roys. Yeah, I got sued, but the case got dropped. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? Like so many other cradle to present churched people, all I ever knew was the KJV Bible. Keep in touch with Julie and get updates in your inbox! I look back at those meetings. But again, reading those letters, and it does have a different impact when you read the actual letter than someone summarizes it. 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Thats what meeting and when youre in a conference called and youre making a decision like that, every elder everybody on the meeting on the call had to make right had the voice be asked any question you have. Hes a large imposing man. Pastor James MacDonald and Harvest Bible Chapel filed a lawsuit this month against two ex-members and former Moody Radio host Julie Roys, accusing them of spreading false information about the . And a few days later James MacDonald's sons, Luke and . I stepped into a conference room. And I was still on the elder board, we shrunk the elder board that next week down to nine men. But I knew I needed to do it. But he starts arguing process. I dont understand how folks in a church can continue to contribute to the church knowing that a significant portion of their contributions have gone / are going to line someones pocket in this dispute. Tim, thanks I should have read before commenting and exactly! And they were praying in earnest this entire time. . He surrounded himself with yes men and used intimidation tactics to keep people in line. And that was a big question. Why is it important to you to let people know what really happened? Hear the dramatic and sovereignly orchestrated story of how MacDonalds actions finally came to light at Harvest. it's time for the cult of personality of James MacDonald at Harvest chapter to close and the actual Bible to be opened . So I asked the other elders, I said, I need to repent. Pastor James will provide answers in upcoming featured video posts. There was a push for him to be able to resign, and to negotiate on several points that we now know what have you know, let him walk away with millions of dollars. So far, I feel the leadership of my current church embodies this well. He was the senior pastor of Harvest Bible Chapel megachurch in Rolling Meadows, Illinois, United States [1] [2] and was the host for the church's former broadcast ministry, Walk in the Word . Not everybody had the physical letters, but we talked through what was in the letters. And I remember being in the meeting thinking, I cant believe were arguing about this. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. Harvest didnt know what it looked like to not have him as a senior pastor. Again, six, absolutely scathing letters. When I did, I told her letters were coming in, would she consider writing it. . I think there was a group in the in the room that would have let him have the microphone that weekend. Theres no joy in doing this. Thats even though MacDonalds former megachurch, Harvest Bible Chapel, disqualified MacDonald from public ministry in 2019 for a pattern of sinful behavior.. God does not value the sanctity of marriage more than the safety and sanity of individuals in that marriage.. I remember praying before the Harvest Elgin campus as a garage, and its a former corporate space. Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. I encourage you to talk to Christian doctors who are fearful of extreme under no circumstances legislation that now forces molested preteens to give birth, and makes it difficult to treat a septic Whoever said the dumbest thing had to take off an, Despite being disqualified from public ministry by his former megachurch for a pattern of sinful behavior, James MacDonald is preaching at Generation. I payed for you and James. But to also say, this was this was my fault, too. . And it was a pretty tough meeting. And there were meetings on Wednesday, where James McDonald was informed of the decision of the elder board. Not saying anything about the about the men in the room, but that becomes unwieldy. Plus, the school offers more than 60 majors, great leadership opportunities and strong financial aid. And again, Im going from memory, but also from what Ron Duitsman recently said. Because if he resigns, he gets up in front of the church, gets to spin things, and, you know, can probably relaunch somewhere else. He was like he started appealing the process. For more information just go to Judsonu.edu/visit. And so really appreciate that and appreciate the time at which you did that. Thank you Jesus, Amen. And and that would be my word to James McDonald. But James McDonald, he did not like to fly with the commoners, from what I understand. As youll hear in this podcast, there was a strong push to suppress those letters by those loyal to James McDonald. He could have apologized a long time ago, but nothing publicly. But its also an important podcast, because as you may know, James McDonald is aggressively trying to rewrite history and relaunch his ministry. We dont know what it would look like tomorrow. None of those charges were looked into. It is not an ecclesiastical remedy at least not any longer. Like Tullian Tchvidjian, he would be a great salesman. "Mancow Airs Shocking Comments By James MacDonald": Julie Roys' Response February 12, 2019 Cherie Vandermillen [Julie Roys] I never thought I would hear an evangelical, mega-church pastor talk about planting child pornography on the computer of an executive at a Christian publication. Then the board announced its executive committee would be resigning over the next few months. I followed up with this text but Julie did not respond immediately to my request for a comment. While we were doing that, I was in my office at home. We are so embarrassed and disgusted by his gross actions in the last 30 years. And theres Ephesians 5 about exposing the unfruitful works of darkness having nothing to do with those. I remember waking up that morning. And by that time Harvest was 30, in its 31st. Yeah. We knew what we knew what we were going to do. He scared me in bible college I wanted nothing to do with him. But it was at this point that I started to reach out to Harvest and really seeking their comment on some of the things that I had heard. He wasnt bringing it to the elders and through a discussion with a couple of the pastors, chose to give it to the elders, which we were thankful for. He was the second longest tenured pastor at Harvest. Judson University is shaping lives that shape the world. It was one of the big red flags to me, or I guess it was a yellow flag could have been a red flag, I wouldnt have done it. Thats a Tuesday night. I would listen to MacArthur, Piper and Macdonald on a regular basis. He further claims Harvests elders crafted false accusations against him as a pure act of vindictiveness to cover the churchs looting of his former broadcast ministry, Walk in the Word. Gary Weigel, if you total all the expenses including vet bills, it might be more than a tithe. But some of these people, for 10 years or more, had been maligned. Production and performance have replaced biblical exegesis and fellowship. And there was a voicemail from one of the pastors at Harvest, in a really sort of pushing for me to sign that put my name to that. Because again, that was one letter that never got published and the contents, other than what Ron Duitsman said in his recent video because he actually referenced that letter. Keep in touch with Julie and get updates in your inbox! Yeah, I can share some of it. But before I dive into my interview with Dan, I just want to take a minute to thank the sponsors of the Roys report, Judson University and Marquardt of Barrington. But to tell people they have to stay in a situation of violence, trauma and harm, or return to it, this is not a core tenet of Christianity. 2011 NIV. So Rick had been there 29 plus years. Had it not been for that recording, I mean, what do you think? You dont know how I got ahold of them. Literally more than two dozen people. She said a survey of 20,000 women for her book, The Great Sex Rescue, found that when men make the final decision in the marriage, even if they consult with their wife first, chances of divorce increases 7.4 times . I didnt know these things were going on, but Im so sorry. He also advertised an upcoming GrampCampan overnight retreat providing training and tools for grandparents to connect with their grandkids. And I remember a comment being made. I was thrown out of the church we gave our lives to by a group of rogue leaders, MacDonald writes. There were elders and influential families that spoke against Moses in the desert, God destroyed them and their families. But the one letter that isnt published came from Sandy Song. And they said, I remember Dan telling me that that James slammed his fist on the table. Hes a deceiver. I see that as just simply implicating a larger group and a conspiracy to use church money for stuff that was never intended. Five of the six have been published. Well, again, joining me today is Dan George, a former elder at Harvest, and one of only two former elders whos apologized to me personally, for some of the nasty things that were said about me when I was reporting on the church and James McDonald. Wives submit to your husbands. Because I believe in the church. And my wife, my wife and I looking at each other and going are we really doing this? And by the meeting that night, the executive committee came to the elder board with a unanimous recommendation, per the bylaws, that James McDonalds employment should be terminated for cause at that point. And I, the next day, I wrote and said, Well, okay, I respect your wishes. The headlines really heated up after the December 2018 publication of "Hard Times at Harvest," a lengthy expos by investigative journalist Julie Roys. I remember going home, my wife picked me up, I went home, and I just laid on the couch and looked at her. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. So Im deeply grateful for their faithful support. Can you say what was in that letter? The audio recording that the elders reference was aired on popular Chicago radio personality Mancow Muller's show.Muller, once a trusted friend and confidant of MacDonald and also a member of Harvest Bible Chapel, has used his platform recently to call the pastor out on his less-than-exemplary handling of his critics. Marquardt is a Buick GMC dealership where you can expect honesty, integrity and transparency. TED also reported that MacDonald's church Harvest Bible Chapel was $65 million in debt. I just know I got them. However as I grew in age and hopefully in wisdom, I consulted other versions of the Bible. My husband and I pray that anyone who has been hurt or used by Im can heal. The G in freemasonry stands for generation. Why would anyone who follows Jesus Christ care what Generation Church thinks about anything? I mean just absolutely devastating stories and, and feeling the pain. Why did you think it was important to own not just who James McDonald was, and not just point the finger at him. . Welcome to The Roys Report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church. And that was actually the night we went, we went into the I think we went to one oclock in the morning and actually walked through whether James McDonald was qualified as an elder. The picture with deceiver Kari Lake speaks volumes! He has always been a total its all about me. But its a story that needs to be toldand rememberedgiven that MacDonald is trying to relaunch his ministry in Chicago. So I had a pretty good sense of what the meeting was gonna be from that point on. Again, James is is now saying, oh, all of that had approval. At least some did. Very loyal to James McDonald. Thats thats a much harder relaunch. The Asbury Revival Is Over. In June, Visconti also posted a picture of him and his wife with James MacDonald and his wife. I thought the weight was dealing with everything else in there was a weight, but that was the weight. Youre better off reading the Bible at home with your cat. Think of the godly ones youve known and thank God for them. The fruit which was souls coming to Christ was enormous. Not all he said was false because then it would have been obvious to any discerning Christian. And I, I look back at those meetings that I was just describing, Julie, I dont I dont say this lightly. John MacArthur, for example, has preached, Scripture does not automatically permit divorce in the case of a physically abusive husband. Instead, MacArthur urges abused wives not to provoke any circumstances that will make your husband become violent. But if he continues to be abusive, The wife should remove herself from danger by fleeing the home if necessary.. Also, if youre in the market for a car, I encourage you to check out my friends at Marquardt of Barrington. Then, referencing his arbitration with Harvest, in which he won about $2.5 million, along with all digital and physical assets of Walk in the Word, MacDonald writes: When we won the arbitration and regained access to our teaching ministry, it was in shambleslike a model plane that had flown so beautifully, being returned with report of a crash, when in reality an envious child had dashed it against the rocks just out of sight.. And it was just a deep sadness, deep sadness. How come its always wives submit to your husbands and never husbands love your wives? But somewhere around 2008-10 his preaching changed a bit. Well, because Scripture says you do it in front of everybody. I know a lot of people look at this. And I knew that I needed to do something publicly. They should go to the reconciliation team. And you know, told her that I would get it to the motherboard. And thats got to be a heavy. James MacDonald Suspends New Home Church Network Julie Roys September 29, 2020 Seven months after launching a Home Church Network (HcN) for those who "struggle to get to church or to stay in church," former celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, is suspending the program. My husband really appreciates James McDonalds preaching against my better judgement I told him about the new messagesso we have the Advent message from his Home Church network cast to the TV I had planned to leave the room so I didnt have to watch it I have to tell you he sounds sincere (without wax) I find the whole situation so heart breaking and confusing. He was in Walk in the Word studios apparently, and said some really vile things, including, you know, joking about putting child porn on a computer, joking about me having an affair with a Christianity Today editor, which has no basis in fact whatsoeve. Great! And in those letters like Jacob Ross, who was the bodyguard of James McDonald. It wasnt an argument. I think of the timing, I think it was earlier that day, that I actually I sent I had sent Sandys letter out, because Sandy sent, she addressed her letter to the elder board. It was really it was a painful meeting, it was a was an eye opening meeting as well though. And I listened to it. One, its impossible, and were gonna get killed, were gonna get slaughtered on that. The man does not make the ministry., God [emailprotected]. So this is going to be a fascinating podcast. You have exemplified godly leadership and godly character. Ive looked back at that email thread, Ron Duitsman who was the elder board chairman, resigned that day. She wanted me to look at it. On that Haiti trip. Jared Prayed for you just now. . One is, I dont want people to give up on the church. It seems we are being punished for the acts of someone who was our spiritual leader. And there were a number in the room who were looking at I Timothy 5, thats for those who persistence sin rebuke them in the presence of all so that the rest may stand in fear. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? And I know its cost you personally. How about that one? And I dont know what his exact words were, but it was basically dont you dare read scripture to me. It was a Wednesday or Thursday night on the Rolling Meadows campus. Other posts decried abortion, transgenderism, and Christians who are apolitical or nice.. Search my early tweet history. It was a heated discussion about letters and who should have the letters who should read the letters, etc., that night. Come out of her, my people. And there were several of us saying, you know, looking at I Timothy 5, looking at Hebrews 13:17, which tells us that elders are going to give an account. 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